Meghan says she didn’t realize ambition was considered bad until she started dating Harry

(CNN) — Meghan, Duchess of Sussexsaid she didn’t realize ambition could be considered a “terrible” quality in a woman until she started dating her now-husband, prince harry.

Meghan kicked off her new podcast, “Archetypes,” which “dives into the labels that try to hold women back,” with an episode on “The misconceptions of ambition with Serena Williams“.

After beginning with a recollection of his experience at press successfully to Procter & Gamble to change a sexist dish soap ad at the age of 11, he went on to talk to Williams about “that dirty, dirty word when it comes to women: ambition.”

“I don’t recall ever personally feeling the negative connotation behind the word ‘ambitious’ until I started dating my now-husband. And apparently ambition is a terrible, terrible thing for a woman to do, according to some,” the Duchess said. , who is an executive producer of the podcast, which is a co-production between the Sussexes’ Archewell Audio, Gimlet and Spotify.

“So as I’ve felt the negativity behind it, it’s very hard to stop feeling it. I also can’t stop seeing it in the millions of girls and women who get much smaller on a regular basis,” she added.

Meghan began dating Prince Harry in 2016. They met at a Blind Date arranged by a mutual friend in July of that year, and in November, Harry issued a statement calling for an end to the often sexist and racist abuse and harassment of his girlfriend.

On her podcast, Meghan spoke about the “pain” of being looked down upon, adding that if a man is ambitious, he’s “very celebrated”, but, in a school classroom, “if a girl is ambitious or raises her hand more, is she? what is she called? Bossy”.

Williams, who Meghan said “embodies the spirit of ambition,” agreed, saying “hopefully we can teach our girls to keep raising their hands and not be afraid.”

Earlier this month, the tennis star ad that he would “evolve away from tennis” after this year’s US Open to focus on “other things that are important to me”.

The 23-time Grand Slam champion said on the podcast: “My whole life has been one thing and now I can focus on Serena Ventures which I’m excited about.”

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She also said she wants to “expand” her family: “I’ve been lucky enough to play tennis very well, but I think the best thing is to be a mother. I think I can be very good at that.”

The tennis legend went on to talk about how “hard” it was to make the decision and the announcement, revealing: “I was in Switzerland and I was sitting in the hotel at the desk, just writing and erasing and writing and thinking and then crying and sitting in front of to my computer and tears streaming down my face as I’m typing these words and going back to these memories.

“Sometimes ambition in women also seems to suggest that you’re not afraid of anything,” Meghan said. “But as you heard Serena say, of course the fears are still there. I lived through them with her. The fear of making this recent decision.”

“So even though Serena is going to close her chapter of playing professional tennis soon, she’s not closing the door on her ambition. She’s going to continue to do great things. To be the greatest of all time off the court. Being ambitious, and I think that’s a beautiful thing,” added the Duchess.

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Meghan says she didn’t realize ambition was considered bad until she started dating Harry

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